[gingery_machines] Re: slip roll machine


Sunday, October 31, 2010


name is Mike
I'm new to the group so I guess this is as good a subject as any to jump in since I have some recent experience.
I've had the book for years and had thought about building one but I decided I needed something much more substantial. Gingery inspired mine though, had it not been for the book I probably would not even known I needed a slip roll machine or even thought about building one myself.
I'm most interested in building the Gingery shaper in the near future which is how I found this group.

Having more time and scrap materials than sense or money I recently built a 24" machine with 2" dia rollers which is rather unique in a few ways for a small roller like this and shows how things can be improvised to do something without using the fancier and more expensive means found on commercial machines.
The rear roll works on a chain drive to move in and out in sync for straight rolling but can be unpinned and moved independently for rolling cones. The lower pinch roll is adjusted the same way though the chain drive takeup and crank is not complete yet. BUT, it's not really needed. The pinch roll has a bronze shoed backup rest and 2 ton bottle jack driving it to really put some force on the sheetmetal when needed. I felt I needed this feature as I intend to add power to it via an old coal stoker tranny, 1hp motor I have and a crude homemade power disconnector similar to the method used on the little sherline lathe for the power feed accessory.
The bottom pinch roll is driven by a crank. The top slip roll is driven by a chain sprocket ala Gingery. I still need to drill the axles for grease fittings and finish the chain drive for the pinch roll though the bottlejack actually works better and it's not needed really. Other than that it is pretty much done at least for hand operation. In a test it rolled a 12" section of some pretty thick SS sheet metal into a 3" tube with a some work. (that's why I want to add power) If powered I think it is probably capable of rolling 16 ga mild steel without much trouble.
One thing leads to another, I had to make a ball turning attachment for my lathe to make ball handles for the sliproll locks.

I uploaded some pics of the machine on photobucket if anyone is interested.


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[Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Activists Caught Vandalizing Olive Trees to Frame Jews/Jews PURCHASED the land of Israel, NOT STOLE it/other news


Activists Caught Vandalizing Olive Trees to Frame Jews/Jews PURCHASED the land of Israel, NOT STOLE it/other news

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Is Rupert Murdoch Ignorant or an Agent of Zionist Deception?

Harold | October 31, 2010 at 7:33 am | Categories: ADL, AIPAC, Government, Israel/Mossad, Media, Politics, Propaganda | URL: http://wp.me/pmtmV-4RT
Alan Hart 10/30/2010 In a recent speech at an ADL (Anti-Defamation League) dinner, Rupert Murdoch, arguably the most influential mainstream media chief on Planet Earth, made some extraordinary statements which must be challenged. But first it's necessary for us all to be clear about what ADL's role is. Its proclaimed objective is to "fight anti-Semitism". [...]


Israelis urged to avoid Turkey
Israeli tourism minister says it's a matter of national pride to stay away from Turkey after its government defines Israel as a threat

UCLA: Where 'Queer Studies' and Middle East Studies Meet by Eric Golub American Thinker

October 31, 2010
The University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) Center for Near Eastern Studies (CNES) is a delightful contradiction of incompatible notions. On one hand, the professors take hard-left stances on sexuality and gender issues, claiming to staunchly support the rights of gays and women. Yet they also worship at the altar of radical Middle East studies professors who act as apologists for Sharia law and other policies completely at odds with Western "liberalism."
The UCLA Queer Studies Conference 2010, which took place on October 8-9 and counted CNES among its sponsors, was a case in point. The panel discussion I attended, along with all of fifteen people, was titled "Trans-lating the Middle East." Let me "trans-late" and save others the time of attending future UCLA conferences on the subject. Gays in the Middle East are persecuted. It really is that simple. But that didn't stop participants from engaging in the usual anti-Western, jargon-laden rhetoric.
Gil Hochberg, Vice Chair of Comparative Literature and LGBT Studies at UCLA, was the moderator. She decried the "heterosexualization of our culture" and the "heterosexist portrayal of politics." Homosexuality, she claimed, is an "erotic disorder exclusively as [sic] a white pathology like white racism ... fault, guilt, refusal of fault, and paranoia."
There is an "innate imperialism of gay rights movement, a white western women's movement," she continued. Gay Muslims are "acting out of economic necessity."
She asked, "Why has the West been so successful in imposing homosexuality on the Arab world?" and answered, "People are seduced by gayness and Americanism. Natives are informants of the white gay international, not true Arabs."
University of Southern California (USC) sociology professor Evren Savci spoke about "Bigudi: An Alternative Beginning." Her remarks were so scintillating that CNES director Susan Slyomovics briefly fell asleep. When Slyomovics snapped to it, she stated that she was having trouble hearing the professor. She wasn't the only one.
Savci's "research" consisted of "five weeks working as a gay bar person and four weeks pretending to be a bar client" and led her to conclude that "queer includes the butch feminine."
University of Austin Texas anthropology professor Sofian Merabet spoke "On the (Im)possibility of Queer Translatabilities and the Formation of Gender Identities in Post-Civil-War Beirut, Lebanon" -- whatever that means.
Merabet expounded at length about his "one subject, a 73-year-old man, a most eccentric fellow. He was stocky and had a hunch-backed physique. He had posters of martyrs of Hamas and Hezbollah. He was a devout Roman Catholic -- not a Christian supremacist, but a social elitist."
Merabet is not a statistician, so perhaps he did not know that observing one person -- whatever his religious proclivities -- does not constitute an adequate research sample size.
He described his subject as "a staunch Meditarraneanist," who "yearn[ed] for the Ottoman Empire to be restored."
Merabet then added, "We also climbed the stairs where the host sunbathed naked and hoped to relieve himself from a skin condition. He overtly showed his disappointment. We refused his ride home."
I closed my eyes in case there were visual aids.
Gay people are "living their lives on ambiguous margins," Merabet stated.
Well, yes -- Islamists are trying to murder them.
There was "a hint of Norman Bates in the air," he added.
One wonders if Merebet was talking about himself on this one. His remarks were a tad psychotic.
Continuing on in this vein, he noted that there was "a toilet seat filled with dollar bills he had purchased from New York City," and then opined, "In France, I feel Oriental."
Given that this was a conference sponsored by the LGBT community, some love for that community had to be forthcoming. What happened with gays?
"Muslims woke them up by asking them to leave their lazy lives behind unless they want to burn in hell," Merabet stated.
He ended by declaring homosexuals to be on the "ephemeral daily fringes of social behavior."
Next up was Oren Segal, a graduate student in the University of Michigan's Near Eastern Studies Department. His topic was "Returning to the Father's Land: Yotam Reuveny's Queer Nationalism."
Homosexuals are "sexual outlaws," he declared. We should "segregate all the queers, create an all-male society, a new independent state near Sodom."
More bizarre commentary followed:
"There are three types in the world ... men, women, homosexuals, and lesbians."
"If gay men will act like real men, straight men lose interest to persecute and subjugate them."
"Heterosexuals cannot stop hating homosexuals. They can only hide it. It is in their blood."
"The pride parade is a freak show to heterosexuals. Stop parading; go back to Sodom."
Segal then launched into a tirade involving homosexuality and Judaism:
"Homosexuality, like Judaism, is a race."
"Gays, like Jews with Zionism, need their own separate space. Gays need their own homeland."
"Stop hiding from false morals. Why are some homosexuals gayer than others and obsessed with sex?"
"Jews were compelled to be homosexuals to increase both types. Homosexuality is another case of Jewish deviance."
"Like gays ... be a Jew in your home and a man outside it."
"A Jew is a person who is considered by others to be a Jew. A homosexual is a person who[m] others consider to be one. It only exists as others define it."
Actually, a Jew is a person born to a Jewish mother.
Segal continued,
"Jews and homosexuals are too passive to found their own state."
"The Sodomite movement is similar to the Zionist movement."
Professor Slyomovics -- no fan of Israel -- laughed heartily at this remark.
"If Jews have a state where they are normalized, gays should have the same."
"Jews will always be outsiders in front of their fellow citizens, no matter how hard they assimilate. A real solution to the Jewish problem ... Homosexuals can first be put in ghettos and then put in concentration camps ... then they will never be safe without a territory and an army."
Segal then offered his fantasy:
"A new society formed out of the 2012 gay holocaust in the same way Israel was formed out of the Holocaust."
Despite five minutes for questions, there were none. ince most of these professors spent the time talking to each other anyway, they simply continued.
When asked by another professor, "How do you define political?," Merabet replied, "The political share my agenda, the apolitical disagree with my agenda."
His honesty was refreshing.
Hochberg asked Segal about the future land of Gayistan: "Is this new nation sarcastic? Will there be Jews, Arabs, and Palestinian gays?"
Segal responded that it is "serious and parody. The founder is Israeli, Jewish, Arab -- and Palestinian gays all over are invited. Men only -- no lesbians."
Professor Slyomovics laughed again, since excluding women is a hysterically funny topic.
Segal concluded that "[t]he Gay Holocaust started in America. After the great war, Israel and Palestine don't exist anymore. A new state emerges. The state of Sodom emerges."
Slyomovics laughed loudly, barely containing herself. I could not tell if she was celebrating the eradication of Israel or is just pro-Sodom(y).
To top off the absurdity of it all, the conference ended with a music performance by a woman named Vaginal Davis.
I'll leave that one to the imagination.
Eric Golub is the publisher of the Tygrrrr Express blog. He wrote this article for Campus Watch, a project of the Middle East Forum.This text may be reposted or forwarded so long as it is presented as an integral whole with complete information provided about its author, date, place of publication, and original URL.

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(One of the biggest LIES that really irks me is the fabrication that Jews STOLE the land of Israel.  MBS)

The Arabs in Palestine By Mitchell Bard

For many centuries, Palestine was a sparsely populated, poorly cultivated and widely-neglected expanse of eroded hills, sandy deserts and malarial marshes. Mark Twain, who visited Palestine in 1867, described it as: "...[a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."
As late as 1880, the American consul in Jerusalem reported the area was continuing its historic decline. "The population and wealth of Palestine has not increased during the last forty years," he said.
The Report of the Palestine Royal Commission quotes an account of the Maritime Plain in 1913:
The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts...no orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached [the Jewish village of] Yabna [Yavne]....Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen....The ploughs used were of wood....The yields were very poor....The sanitary conditions in the village were horrible. Schools did not exist....The western part, towards the sea, was almost a desert....The villages in this area were few and thinly populated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.
Lewis French, the British Director of Development wrote of Palestine:
We found it inhabited by fellahin who lived in mud hovels and suffered severely from the prevalent malaria....Large areas...were uncultivated....The fellahin, if not themselves cattle thieves, were always ready to harbor these and other criminals. The individual plots...changed hands annually. There was little public security, and the fellahin's lot was an alternation of pillage and blackmail by their neighbors, the Bedouin.
Surprisingly, many people who were not sympathetic to the ZionistPalestinian Arabs. For example, Dawood Barakat, editor of the Egyptian paper Al-Ahram, wrote: "It is absolutely necessary that an entente be made between the Zionists and Arabs, because the war of words can only do evil. The Zionists are necessary for the country: The money which they will bring, their knowledge and intelligence, and the industriousness which characterizes them will contribute without doubt to the regeneration of the country." cause believed the Jews would improve the condition of
Even a leading Arab nationalist believed the return of the Jews to their homeland would help resuscitate the country. According to Sherif Hussein, the guardian of the Islamic Holy Places in Arabia:
The resources of the country are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants. One of the most amazing things until recent times was that the Palestinian used to leave his country, wandering over the high seas in every direction. His native soil could not retain a hold on him, though his ancestors had lived on it for 1000 years. At the same time we have seen the Jews from foreign countries streaming to Palestine from Russia, Germany, Austria, Spain, America. The cause of causes could not escape those who had a gift of deeper insight. They knew that the country was for its original sons (abna'ihi­l­asliyin), for all their differences, a sacred and beloved homeland. The return of these exiles (jaliya) to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually [to be] an experimental school for their brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades and in all things connected with toil and labor.

A Population Boom

As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.
This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.
The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922­1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

Jewish Land Purchases

Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. The truth is from the beginning of World War I, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins.
Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."
It was only after the Jews had bought all of this available land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry.
When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay."
In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness and eventually offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer.
In April 1936, a new outbreak of Arab attacks on Jews was instigated by a Syrian guerrilla named Fawzi al-Qawukji, the commander of the Arab Liberation Army. By November, when the British finally sent a new commission headed by Lord Peel to investigate, 89 Jews had been killed and more than 300 wounded.
The Peel Commission's report found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased....there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land." Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities.
In his memoirs, Transjordan's King Abdullah wrote:
It is made quite clear to all, both by the map drawn up by the Simpson Commission and by another compiled by the Peel Commission, that the Arabs are as prodigal in selling their land as they are in useless wailing and weeping (author's emphasis).
Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews.
The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre."
By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin. Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As'ad el­Shuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews.


Activists Caught Vandalizing Olive Trees to Frame Jews

Jewish villagers from the northern Samaria region have disclosed that they have documented a staged act of vandalism in an Arab field aimed at leveling false accusations against local Jews.

The images show anti-Zionist activists using a chainsaw to vandalize Arab olive trees in an attempt to frame local Jews.

  (Disclaimer.  This is being circulated over the internet by some Jew haters. (MBS)

Auschwitz Museum Director Reveals 'Gas Chamber' Hoax
By P. Samuel Foner
The Spotlight
Volume XIX, Number 2
In a dramatic and unprecedented videotaped interview, Dr. Franciszek Piper, senior curator and director of archives of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on camera that 'Krema 1,' the alleged 'homicidal gas chamber' shown off to hundreds of thousands of tourists every year at the Auschwitz main camp, was, in fact, fabricated after the war by the Soviet Union -apparently on the direct orders of Josef Stalin.
What Piper said - in effect and on camera - was that the explosive 1988 Leuchter Report was correct: no homicidal gassings took place in the buildings designated as 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz.
With this admission by none other than the respected head of the Auschwitz State Museum, one of the most sacred 'facts' of history has been destroyed. This 'gas chamber' is the major historical 'fact' on which much of the foreign and domestic policies of all Western nations since WWII are based.
It is the basis for the $100+ billion in foreign aid the United States has poured into the state of Israel since its inception in 1948 - amounting to $16,500 for every man, woman and child in the Jewish state and billions more paid by Germany in 'reparations' - not to mention the constructing of Israel's national telephone, electrical and rail systems...all gifts of the German people. It is the basis for the $10 billion 'loan' (read 'gift') made to Israel for housing its immigrants in the occupied territories...while Americans sleep on the streets and businesses are bankrupted by the thousands. (Note - As of 2004, not a single 'loan' of US tax money made to the state of Israel by Washington has ever been paid back. -ed)
Germany is paying 'reparations' - the the United States is making major contributions - to atone for the 'gassings at Auschwitz' and elsewhere. If the 'homicidal gas chambers' were postwar creations of the Soviets, in which no one was gassed regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin, then these 'reparations' were unnecessary, and were based on fraud.
The videotape on which Dr. Piper makes his revelations was made in mid-1992 by a young Jewish investigator, David Cole and follows 12 years of intensive investigation by dozens of historians, journalists and scientists who have tried to get to the bottom of what really happened at Auschwitz.
Like most Americans, since his youth, Cole had been instructed in the 'irrefutable fact' that mass homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those executed - also declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million.
Then came the Leuchter Report in 1988 which was followed with an official 're-evaluation' of the total deaths at Auschwitz (down to 1.1 million). As a budding historian - and a Jew - Cole was intrigued.
Previous to 1992, anyone who publicly doubted or questioned the official 4.1 millon 'gassing' deaths at Auschwitz was labeled an anti-semite, neo-nazi skinhead at the very least. Quietly, because of revisionist findings, the official figure was lowered to 1.1 million. No mention was made of the missing 3 million.
The Cole videotape interview proves that the people who run the Auschwitz State Museum had made a practice of fabricating 'proofs' of homicidal gassings. Keep in mind that over the years millions of tourists have been told that 'Krema 1' is in its original state, while officials knew that 'original state' is a ie.
The political, religious, fiancial and historical ramifications of this proof of no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz cannot be measured. Coupled with the Leuchter Report, the Cole interview with Dr. Piper on videotape proves that what Western governments have taught about the Auschwitz gas chamber since WWII is a lie. It proves that what televangelists such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson have been telling their flocks is simply not true.
No one, regardless of race, creed, color or country of national origin was gassed to death in any building so designated at Auschwitz. And without 'homicidal gas chambers' at Auschwitz, where is the reasoning for the special treatment of the state of Israel?
Note - This is excerpted from the orginal, much longer article by P. Samuel Foner.
From Michael Rivero
Current events should make it clear that deceptions in support of a war are the rule rather than the exception throughout history. Looking at the post-WW2 climate, the need for a cause on which to base the formation of Israel was clear. Here the allies had waged war on Germany for invading other peoples' lands and taking them by force, and here those same allies were asked to reverse themselves and allow the exact same thing to happen in Palestine. Clearly, only a monstrous propaganda hoax would trick the same world which halted the Nazi's land grab into turning a blind eye to the same thing being done in Palestine.
Michael Rivero
What Really Happened.com
From Jim Mortellaro
When I read such as the above, I become angry. I want to hurl the lunatic who said it into the past to see what really did happen. No, I did not see what happened. But my aunt did. As did her brother, her mother, father, sister, uncles and aunts and cousins.
A family of Budapest Jews, taken from their homes, packed into cattle cars and hauled into a place called Auschwits. There, my aunt and her brother were the only survivors in a family of 93. Ninety-three human beings, men, women and children were starved to death, forced into hard labor and those who could not cut the mustard were gassed.
My uncle Mike, a Christian, and his fellow CIC Jewish CIC soldiers, liberated Olga's family from Auschwits and saw with their own eyes, the ovens, the gas chambers and the bodies stacked high, stripped not only of belongings but of all their humanity.
A hoax? Yes. But a hoax perpetrated by those who naysay a truth. And that truth will stand for as long as there are humans left to remember.
I abhor Zionism. I abhor what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. I abhor the fact that Israel is doing many of the same things the NAZI's did to them. But it _was_ done to them. Nothing can change that. Not the pap some people attempt to sell, which is tantamount to the worst kind of lying.
Remember. For in remembering, there should be something called humanity. Some in Israel have not remembered. And that will be their downfall.
Jim Mortellaro
Geoffrey Transom.
Jim Mortarello wrote:
"My uncle Mike, a Christian, and his fellow CIC Jewish CIC soldiers, liberated Olga's family from Auschwits and saw with their own eyes, the ovens, the gas chambers and the bodies stacked high, stripped not only of belongings but of all their humanity."
That is bullshit, unless his uncle was serving with the SOVIET Army (the Soviets 'liberated' Auschwitz - on January 27th, 1945 - and it remained in the Soviet sector for the remainder of the Occupation). So it's not clear to me - again, unless tha guy was in the Red Army - that Mr Mortarello's uncle was in any posiion to make any eyewitness statements regarding Auschwitz.
This is something that the Holocaust Industry relies on heavily - that nobody will check the facts.
Geoffrey Transom.
From Stephen Sterling
This makes perfect sense...exactly what Stalin would do and perfect for world Zionism to exploit. Read more about Zionism and its relations with Hitler and the Nazis.
I read the Leuchter Report. Everyone should and only THEN make their own decision. The horrors of the concentration camps defy description...death, murder, mass starvation, deadly epidemics which killed enormous numbers of people. By 1944, much of Germany was in near starvation and food supplies to camps would have been marginal. We should also keep in mind that Roosevelt and Churchill never ordered a single bombing raid to hit the rail lines leading to any of the major concentration and slave labor camps. Why? Furthermore, where is the worldwide lobby which mourns and memorializes the estimated 2-3 million Japanese civilians who were incinerated by American bombing? Or, the 50-60 million civilians that 'Uncle Joe' annihilated? On and on it goes. Death is death. All holocausts are equal.
From Sam Feldman
Dear Mr. Rense,
As I have heard you mention, Prof Finkelstein's book 'The Holocaust Industry' is must reading for anyone trying to honestly understand what has been done with the Holocaust as an instrument of profit.
Furthermore, Zionists are NOT the best friends of most of us Jews. Look what they have done to Israel. Look what they are doing to the Palestinians.
And if there is any doubt about their involvement in the Holocaust, I quote from Lenni Brenne in an article by Dr. Henry Makow, PhD, who is also a Jew:
According to Lenni Brenner's online book Zionism in the Age of Dictators (Ch.7), the Zionist party was the only other political party in Nazi Germany that enjoyed a measure of freedom, and could publish a newspaper. The reason: Zionists and Nazis had a common interest, making German Jews go to Palestine. (http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch07.htm)
History is not always what you'd expect.
There are more shocking examples in Brenner's book (Chapters 24 & 25).
For instance, in November 1942, Rabbi Michael Dov-Ber Weismandel, a Jewish activist in Slovakia approached Adoph Eichmann's representative, Dieter Wisliceny: "How much money would be needed for all the European Jews to be saved?" Wisliceny went to Berlin and returned with an answer. For a mere $2 million they could have all the Jews in Western Europe and the Balkans. Weismandel sent a courier to the World Zionist Organization in Switzerland. His request was refused. The official, Nathan Schwalb sent enough money to save only Weismandel and his cadre. He wrote:
"About the cries coming from your country, we should know that all the Allied nations are spilling much of their blood, and if we do not sacrifice any blood, by what right shall we merit coming before the bargaining table when they divide nations and lands at the war's end? ....for only with blood shall we get the land." (p.237)
Brenner writes that Zionism had come full turn. "Instead of Zionism being the hope of the Jews, their blood was to be the political salvation of Zionism" (p.238).
I urge your visitors to read the rest of the article by Dr. Makow:
As he says, in one of the biggest understatements of all time: "History is not always what you'd expect."
From Rod
Re: recent Comment by stuborn people who refuse to look at the FACTS of WW2.
The Jewish folks were not the only people who suffered enourmously in WW2.
Let's remember and mourn equally those peoples who were invaded and bomb; cities full of people destroyed; the soldiers who fought and died on both side; the slave workers in production facilities and labor camps for the war effort in EVERY combatant country, the Japanese obliterated in Nagasaki and Hirosima and the 2-3 million other fire bombed to death by the US. Etcetera.
And by the way "we are not paying for someone else's ACTIONS"
So, get out of our WALLETS. We do not owe you anything for your individual suffering. Nor is my family going to toil to pay for your rich lawsuits..
We are not slaves either. Nor are we obliged to pay for your imagined DEBTS.
You're not the ONLY victims.
From Hugh Joseph
Among the comments made to the above article was one by Jim Mortellaro who said:
"When I read such as the above, I become angry. I want to hurl the lunatic who said it into the past to see what really did happen. No, I did not see what happened. But my aunt did. As did her brother, her mother, father, sister, uncles and aunts and cousins."
This sounds very much like something Henry Makow said here recently. He made a statement that his Grandmother had been murdered by the Nazis. When I wrote him asking how he knew this, his response was an irritated "...maybe she fell down a well..the Nazis didn't issue death certificates." In other words he did not know the truth and didn't care to find out about it. Jews were gassed and that was all there was to it. That is not science. That is sentiment. Let us find out what actually happened. The whole world would be better off for it.
Where do we find that any inquiry into any other reported genocide is prohibited by law? If you wanted you could get up on a soapbox and loudly deny that black slavery took place, or that the Red Indian was genocided by the early Americans. You are even free to deny the Inquisition. Say that Pol Pot didn't kill millions of his own countrymen and few will bat an eyelid. Deny that Stalin killed over 50 million Christian Russians and you might even get some newly minted "free speech" award from Hustler or Playboy, or from the ADL, or ACLU. Please tell me why there must be legislation to prevent any discussion of the facts of what happened to Jews under Hitler in such countries as Canada, Austria and Germany? And while you're at it, can you explain why it is that we have nearly a dozen Jewish Holocaust museums here in the US, when the holocaust of Jews occured thousands of miles away, but not one serious museum devoted to the plight of either the Red Indian or the Black Man? Doesn't that bother you?
My own Great Grandparents suffered indescribably at the hands of certain people. Should I be looking for reparations from their descendants? Should I reserved a special place in my heart for hated of the perps? Should I go on exacting perpetual and eternal vengeance on the children of those who wronged my family? Or should I forgive them? I have nothing against the Jews, but the truth dictates that we carefully and scientifically study the crimes of the NS to understand what happened. If that means revising what we have been taught about the Jewish holocaust, then so be it. We must be forever servants of the truth. Why is that so scary to you?
Eric K.
Anytime a group of people makes such a clamor and noise over investigations into a matter, you can bet they have something to hide and are protecting a valuable gain. For far too long certain Jews have been squeezing the holocaust turnip for all its worth, and calling it blasphemy for anyone to make an inquiry. We're just supposed to sit down, shut up and hear the woe of Shoah!, and believe it. That's utterly ridiculous. And to wag a finger and shout "anti-semite!" anytime someone questions is a cheap trick. So exactly what ARE they hiding?

Fundamentally Freund: What Bible is the Vatican reading?
10/27/2010 22:35
Bishops in Rome tossed theological equivalent of hand grenade, threatening to blow up decades of efforts to improve Catholic-Jewish relations. 
This past Saturday, a synod of bishops in Rome tossed the theological equivalent of a hand grenade, threatening to blow up decades of efforts to improve Catholic- Jewish relations.
In a press conference at the Vatican, Monsignor Cyril Salim Bustros, a Greek Melkite archbishop from Boston and president of the Church's Commission for the Message, launched a blistering attack against the very foundation of Jewish belief.
Vatican synod calls for end to Israel's 'occupation'
The pope must speak up
"The Holy Scriptures," Bustros declared, "cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians, to justify the occupation by Israel of Palestinian lands."
Not stopping there, he went on to state that "we Christians cannot speak of the 'promised land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people... There is no longer a chosen people."
And so, in one fell swoop, a senior Church official sought to deny the unique, covenantal relationship between God and the Jews, rejecting the divine promise to restore the people of Israel to their Land. One cannot help but wonder: What Bible is the Vatican reading? Whichever one it is, it must be missing a few pages, as even a cursory glance at the Scriptures makes clear that the Jewish people's right to the Land of Israel is indisputably ordained.
Take, for example, Isaiah 14:1-2: "The Lord will have compassion on Jacob; once again He will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land." Or how about Jeremiah 11:5, where God says: "I will fulfill the oath I swore to your forefathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey..." And then there's Ezekiel 34: 11-13. And Hosea 3:4-5. And Amos 9:14-15. And Obadiah 1:17, Zephaniah 3:19-20 and Zechariah 8:7-8.
YOU GET the point. But it doesn't seem that the Catholic Church does.
After the Lebanese-born Bustros's remarks caused a furor, the Vatican spokesman waited two days before issuing a mealy-mouthed statement which did little to calm the storm.
"If one wants a summary of the synod's position, attention must currently be paid to the 'Message,' which is the only written text approved by the synod in the last few days," the Vatican's Father Federico Lombardi said. "There is also a great richness and variety in the contributions made by the fathers, but which as such should not all be considered as the voice of the synod as a whole."
Lombardi's efforts to contain the fallout won't fool anyone. There is no getting around the fact that this convocation of bishops was called by the pope himself. Moreover, the perception around the world was that the Vatican had officially delegitimized Israel while assaulting Judaism itself. As Catholic writer William Doino Jr. noted: "In a statement meant to be fully and intensely Christian, Israel was singled out for blame and criticism. That's not fair, much less Christian."
Indeed, this entire episode is little more than a cheap bit of politics wrapping itself in the robes of religion. Bustros and his colleagues clearly have a political ax to grind with the Jewish state, and they shamefully do not hesitate to invoke the sacred for this most profane of goals.
My Christian friends tell me that the words "Palestine" and "Palestinians" do not even appear in the New Testament. So the learned bishops could not have come up with the idea of the "occupation of Palestine" while attending Sunday school.
Furthermore, by Bustros's own definition, the founder of Christianity would also have to be considered an "occupier" and a "settler," for according to Christian belief, Jesus the Jew was born and raised in Bethlehem.
That is the very same Bethlehem that Bustros would now like to see become part of a Palestinian state.
No matter how one looks at it, the synod's unbridled insult to Israel and the Jewish people cannot be allowed to stand. If it is not denounced and corrected forthwith, it will quickly be exploited by Israel's enemies to stir up still more hatred.
IN A letter to Cardinal-elect Kurt Koch, the newly-appointed head of the Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews, the Anti-Defamation League rightly singled out Bustros's remarks as "the worst kind of anti-Judaism, bordering on anti-Semitism."
It called on Koch to "swiftly and publicly correct Archbishop Bustros's shocking and damaging statements," and to clarify whether his "interpretation of the synod's final report reflects the intention of the synod on these profound theological matters."
I would take it one step further. Given the Catholic Church's long and dark history of anti-Jewish persecution, it is only fitting that the pope himself speak out loudly and clearly on this issue. It is incumbent upon Pope Benedict to transform this turn of events into a profound opportunity to atone for what the Church has done to the Jewish people through the centuries.
Ironically, it was 45 years ago today, on October 28, 1965, that the Second Vatican Council approved a document known as Nostra Aetate, which heralded a sea change in the Church's position toward Jews. In its wake, much has been accomplished in enhancing relations.
But Bustros and his hate-filled rhetoric now threaten to undermine nearly half a century of dialogue and progress. What a terrible shame that would be.
For while the Church may pride itself on preaching love and tolerance, when it comes to its attitude toward the Jews, it still has a long way to go.

The main thing is that JEWS PURCHASED THE LAND FROM THE ARABS and did NOT STEAL it!! MBS)


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