[Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits

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Saturday, April 30, 2011

 

Makes since the Kenyan wants the IRS to enforce socialized medicine, so now the shoe is on the other foot and the IRS is being used as a pro life entity.
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 http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/gop-bill-irs-abortion-audits  Under a GOP-backed bill expected to sail through the House of Representatives, the Internal Revenue Service would be forced to police how Americans have paid for their abortions. To ensure that taxpayers complied with the law, IRS agents would have to investigate whether certain terminated pregnancies were the result of rape or incest. And one tax expert says that the measure could even lead to questions on tax forms: Have you had an abortion? Did you keep your receipt?  In testimony to a House taxation subcommittee on Wednesday, Thomas Barthold, the chief of staff of the nonpartisan Joint Tax Committee, confirmed that one consequence of the Republicans' "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act" would be to turn IRS agents into abortion cops—that is, during an audit, they'd have to detemine, from evidence provided by the taxpayer, whether any tax benefit had been inappropriately used to pay for an abortion.   The proposed law, also known as H.R. 3, extends the reach of the Hyde Amendment—which bans federal funding for abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or when the life of the mother is at stake—into many parts of the federal tax code. In some cases, the law would forbid using tax benefits—like credits or deductions—to pay for abortions or health insurance that covers abortion. If an American who used such a benefit were to be audited, Barthold said, the burden of proof would lie with the taxpayer to provide documentation, for example, that her abortion fell under the rape/incest/life-of-the-mother exception, or that the health insurance she had purchased did not cover abortions. "Were this to become law, people could end up in an audit, the subject of which could be abortion, rape, and incest," says Christopher Bergin, the head of Tax Analysts, a nonpartisan, not-for-profit tax policy group. "If you pass the law like this, the IRS would be required to enforce it."  The proposal, which House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has declared a top priority of the new Republican Congress, has 221 cosponsors and is expected to pass the House easily. The bill caused controversy and sparked a national protest campaign in January after Mother Jones reported that it would limit the Hyde Amendment's rape exception to cases of "forcible rape." Experts told Mother Jones that move could prevent Medicaid from paying for abortions in many rape cases, including statutory rapes. Despite the presence of many other controversial provisions, the bill regained momentum after its sponsors promised to strip the "forcible rape" language. But during Wednesday's hearing, Rep. Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) highlighted the IRS enforcement issue, which has until now flown under the radar. He asked:    Would a woman have to certify that the Health Savings Account funds she spent on birth control pills or for a doctor's visit weren't used to pay for an abortion? If a woman were audited, would IRS agents be at her house demanding court documents or affidavits proving that her pregnancy was the result of rape or incest?  Barthold replied that the taxpayer would have to prove that she had complied with all applicable abortion laws. Under standard audit procedure, a woman would have to provide evidence to corroborate facts about abortions, rapes, and cases of incest, says Marcus Owens, an accountant and former longtime IRS official. If a taxpayer received a deduction or tax credit for abortion costs related to a case of rape or incest, or because her life was endangered, then "on audit [she] would have to demonstrate or prove, ideally by contemporaneous written documentation, that it was incest, or rape, or [her] life was in danger," Owens says. "It would be fairly intrusive for the woman."  Not everyone has "contemporaneous written documentation" that a pregnancy was the result of rape or incest. And, as Owens notes, adults sometimes pay for abortions for their children. If H.R. 3 becomes law, parents could face IRS questions about whether they spent pre-tax money from health savings accounts on abortions for their kids. "It would seem there would have to be a question about that [in an audit] and maybe even a question on the tax return," Owens says.  The bill contains no instructions for how the IRS should enforce it. The wording of the legislation is so vague that the Joint Tax Committee offered several different interpretations of which parts of the tax code it might actually affect. But the law will unquestionably affect some portion of the tax code—an entire section of the bill is titled "Prohibition on Tax Benefits Relating to Abortion." (A spokesman for New Jersey GOP Rep. Chris Smith, the main author of the bill, did not respond to a request for comment. A spokesman for the IRS said the agency does not comment on pending legislation.)  "The Internal Revenue Service has no business interfering with a woman's right to a safe, legal, constitutionally-protected medical procedure," Thompson tells Mother Jones. "Private health care decisions belong to a woman, her family, and her doctor—not a government auditor."  Most IRS agents would likely agree, Owens says: "I don't think [IRS agents] enjoy prying around into those sorts of private matters." Another IRS veteran tells Mother Jones he doesn't believe his ex-colleagues would want to enforce such a law. "You can't ask people to go out and ask some woman about what the circumstances are surrounding her abortion. They just won't do it."  UPDATE: NARAL Pro-Choice America, one of the major groups supporting abortion rights, has issued a statement responding to this story:    "This bill gets more outrageous and insulting by the day. Not only would a woman have to describe her sexual assault to the police, but she could then be forced to relive that horrifying experience with an agent from the IRS," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "The 221 members of Congress who signed their names to this egregious bill must explain to their constituents why they want to give the IRS authority to audit rape survivors."  It's hard to know exactly what form "describ[ing] her sexual assault to the... IRS" would take, since this bill hasn't become law. But as I note in the story, "contemporaneous written documentation" is a general standard for the agency, so it's likely that, barring a change to the law, a woman would need to provide such documentation to the IRS during an audit. But what would meet the standard? A police report? Trial records? A doctor's note? Again, it's hard to predict.  UPDATE 2:  In comments, HyperTyler asks whether this means the GOP is abandoning HIPAA, the law that protects privacy of health records. Answer: not really. The law allows law enforcement agents to obtain such records by submitting a written request. IRS agents conducting an audit almost certainly qualify as law enforcement agents in this context.  UPDATE 3: Kevin Drum has more on this.  Nick Baumann covers national politics and civil liberties issues for Mother Jones' DC Bureau. For more of his stories, click here. You can also follow him on Twitter and Facebook. Email tips and insights to nbaumann [at] motherjones [dot] com. Get Nick Baumann's RSS feed.    

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[Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Democracy and Liberty

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-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: Jon Roland <jon.roland@constitution.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:19:17 -0500

Democracy and Liberty


We should try to make some of these broad concepts more precise.

There are two main rights associated with liberty:
1. The right to a presumption of non-authority. Our public agents may only do what we formally authorize them to do.
2. The right to effective means to supervise public agents. We have to be able to find out what they are doing and hold them accountable for their action or inaction. That includes the powers to remove and to penalize.

Self-determination does not just mean voting in referenda and elections of officials, nor does it mean majority rule. Support of a majority is necessary but not sufficient, and for some more important issues other decision rules, such as supermajorities or structuring decisions into deliberative assemblies, or random selection of deciders (sortition) rather than election or appointment of them, may be required to protect the rights of individuals and minorities, especially from undue influence by rent-seekers.

Citizenship is inseparable from civic virtue. That means not just the opportunity to vote or hold public office, but diligence in doing so knowledgeably and wisely, and willingness to help defend the community (militia) and enforce constitutional laws. It also means resisting the tendency to hire public servants to do things the public should be doing, or to trust public servants to do the right thing without actively supervising the details of their work. It means restricting the numbers and activities of public servants to a level that makes effective supervision manageable without it becoming a full-time job for everyone.

The U.S. Constitution and imitations thereof remains the exemplar for how to balance conflicting values for real people in a real world. Nations have now experimented with enough variants to find that there are certain principles of sound constitutional design that are not mere expressions of cultural relativity. Some designs work better than others, and it is important that we discover which work and support them.

As for what the peoples of other countries want, I find most aspire to the same ideals we do (or used to do). The problem is that most, even in our own country, don't always understand what that requires of us, or accept doing what it requires of us. It is indeed hard, for everyone. Part of what makes it hard is that the institutions of liberty are vulnerable to brutal determined men, whether from outside or from within. Every child begins life as a barbarian and if not inducted into civilization becomes a threat to it. We are "never more than one generation from barbarism" (Arnold Toynbee, A Study of History). A few brutes can dominate the meek majority if the meek do not organize and hold firm against them.
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Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Gov. Rick Scott orders immediate cuts to programs for disabled - Orlando Sentinel

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On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 23:02 -0700, Sheep wrote:
> Ain't this just great, this is page 1

Because of the SEIU there is no money for people who need help. As soon
as he breaks this damn union there can be money for more worthy people.

CWSIV
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Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Re: socially beneficial people are good

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Yes a liberal indoctrination will do just fine to maintain ignorance.
It explains how the judiciary thinks they can legislate from the bench.

CWSIV

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> facts.
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> > On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 23:12 -0800, AntiSemeticSheepDIP4Brains
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> > > Really? All you want to your money grubbing hands to the money and
> > > nothing else,
> > > Having medicare and some forum of public health only helps a
> soceity
> > > otherwise , it would revert to a primitive type of jungle, and it
> > > sounds like that is what you want,
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> > Once again you prove your stupidity in discounting private charity
> which
> > was good enough before that damned communist FDR was elected.
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> > CWSIV
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Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Fwd: Justice Department Seeks Ebonics Experts | The Smoking Gun

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In Arnansas they breed their own stock which explains Clinton.
CWSIV

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> "mounting folk"? Are these folk who mount each other?
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> --- On Wed, 30/3/11, Carl Spitzer <cwsiv@lavabit.com> wrote:
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> From: Carl Spitzer <cwsiv@lavabit.com>
> Subject: Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Fwd: Justice
> Department Seeks Ebonics Experts | The Smoking Gun
> To: Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Wednesday, 30 March, 2011, 6:01 AM
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Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Bank of America Pays No Taxes, Gets $1B Refund: Report - TheStreet

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On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 01:00 -0700, Sheep wrote:
> How come the working folks can not get away with same thing? and folks
> get upset with the earned credit on federal taxes?

Sorry this one is on ObombA. The first bailout was before the Lincoln
presidenty via taxes on southern cotton, then there was the bailout of
NYC and Chrysler. More recently Bush 2 did it but now its ObombA's
turn. These things never seem to work as intended.

CWSIV
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[Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Obama's father forced out at Harvard

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Obama's father forced out at Harvard
By: Associated Press
April 29, 2011 08:58 PM EDT

BOSTON — President Barack Obama's father was forced to leave Harvard University before completing his Ph.D. in economics because the school was concerned about his personal life and finances, according to newly public immigration records.

Harvard had asked the Immigration and Naturalization Service to delay a request by Barack Hussein Obama Sr. to extend his stay in the U.S., "until they decided what action they could take in order to get rid of him," immigration official M.F. McKeon wrote in a June 1964 memo.

Harvard administrators, the memo stated, "were having difficulty with his financial arrangements and couldn't seem to figure out how many wives he had."

An earlier INS memo from McKeon said that while the elder Obama had passed his exams and was entitled on academic grounds to stay and complete his thesis, the school was going to try and "cook something up to ease him out."

"They are planning on telling him that they will not give him any money, and that he had better return to Kenya and prepare his thesis at home," the memo stated.

In May 1964, David D. Henry, director of Harvard's international office, wrote to Obama to say that, while he had completed his formal course work, the economics department and the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences didn't have the money to support him.

"We have, therefore, come to the conclusion that you should terminate your stay in the United States and return to Kenya to carry on your research and the writing of your thesis," Henry's letter stated.

Obama's request for an extended stay was denied by the INS. He left Harvard and - divorced from president's mother - returned to his native Kenya in July 1964. He did not complete his Ph.D.

The immigration memos, contained in the elder Obama's Immigration and Naturalization file, were given to a Boston Globe reporter in 2009 through a Freedom of Information request. The papers were first made public Wednesday by The Arizona Independent, a weekly newspaper. The Associated Press obtained copies of them on Friday.

Harvard issued a statement Friday saying that it could not find in its own records anything to support the accounts given in the INS memos.

"While we cannot verify accounts of conversations that occurred nearly 50 years ago, a review of our existing files did not find any support for either the language or the implied intent described by the U.S. government official in the government documents," the statement read.

When Obama was attending Harvard, the school faced serious constraints in financing research by international graduate students, the university also said.

Department of Homeland Security spokesman Matt Chandler declined to comment Friday, saying the department does not comment on specific immigration cases.

Concerns about Obama's personal life while he had been studying in the U.S. had been raised previously, according to the INS documents.

In 1961, while he was an undergraduate student at the University of Hawaii, the school's foreign student adviser called an immigration official and said Obama had recently married StanleyAnn Dunham - the president's mother - despite already having a wife in Kenya.

According to a memo written by an INS official in Honolulu, the adviser said Obama had been "running around with several girls since he first arrived here and last summer she cautioned him about his playboy ways."

Obama told the adviser that he had divorced his wife in Kenya.

He told the president's mother the same thing, though she would later learn it was a lie.

Obama worked for an oil company and as a government economist after returning to Africa, but his personal and professional life would later deteriorate. He died in a car crash in 1982, when the future president was 21 and a student at Columbia University.


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[Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Carter Center Statement giving unconditional support for Fatah-Hamas deal

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[Dr. Aaron Lerner - IMRA  It should be noted that while the folks at the Carter Center do not have  access to the details of the agreement, they unconditionally call for its  implementation.]   April 29, 2011 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Deanna Congileo, 1-404-420-5108 http://www.cartercenter.org/news/pr/palestinian-reconciliation-042911.html   Carter Center Statement on Palestinian Reconciliation    The Carter Center congratulates the Government of Egypt for their success in  brokering the historic intra-Palestinian reconciliation agreement announced  on April 27. The Carter Center further commends the representatives of Fatah  and Hamas for having the vision to begin the process of reunifying the  Palestinian people. Mediated by the Government of Egypt, the agreement  provides a framework for resolving long-standing issues regarding reform of  the Palestine Liberation Organization, Palestinian governance, elections,  human rights abuses, and the security sector.  Now, the challenge will be  implementing the agreement on the ground.  President Carter said, "This agreement, and the promise of elections in the  next twelve months, has the potential to arrest the spiral of  intra-Palestinian human rights violations and preserve Palestinian  democracy.  It can also lead to a leadership representing all Palestinians  capable of negotiating peace with Israel.  Based on my years of contacts  with Fatah and Hamas, I am confident that, if handled creatively and  flexibly by the international community, Hamas' return to unified  Palestinian governance can increase the likelihood of a two-state solution  and a peaceful outcome.  I encourage the international community to respect  this decision by the Palestinian leadership and to view it as part of the  larger democratic trend sweeping the region."    ####  -------------------------------------------- IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis Website: www.imra.org.il 


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[Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] American Friends of Peace Now: We clueless of details of Fatah-Hamas deal but we hope it is implemented

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[Dr. Aaron Lerner - IMRA  No.  This is not a parody.  Here is what APN President and CEO Debra DeLee wrote:  #1.  We still don't know all the details of the agreement  But  #2. We hope that the agreement is implemented  And while she admits she doesn�t know the details of the deal she fails to  even condition her support for the deal on meeting certain criteria.  Instead she goes on to slam Israel for possibly opposing a deal whose  details she is not aware of.  This isn't "Peace Now" - it's "Piece Now".]   APN: Palestinian Reconciliation Deal is an Opportunity for Obama By Lara Friedman on April 27, 2011 4:30 PM http://peacenow.org/entries/apn_palestinian_reconciliation_deal_is_an_opportunity_for_obama  Washington, DC -- APN today welcomed news of a Fatah-Hamas deal.  To the  degree that the agreement provides for elections and a joint government,  this is an opportunity that the Obama administration should not squander.  Commenting on today's development, APN President and CEO Debra DeLee stated:  "Today's announcement of a Fatah-Hamas deal to jointly form a government and  to hold new elections is good news, and we hope that the agreement is  implemented.  While we still don't know all the details of the agreement, we  know that a Palestinian government representing all Palestinians, with  security and governance capacity in both the West Bank and Gaza, is vital to  the achievement of a peace agreement.  "Clearly, it would be preferable if Hamas -- a U.S.-designated foreign  terrorist organization with a long history of bloody attacks on Israel --   could be completely wished away.  However, five years of U.S., Israeli, and  international efforts to sideline Hamas have failed.  The reality today is  that the Gaza-West Bank split is a hurdle to peace efforts, raising  questions about the capacity of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to  implement an agreement.  "For years the U.S. has made the mistake of opposing Palestinian  reconciliation rather than encouraging it; it should not compound this  mistake by wasting this opportunity to engage a new Palestinian government.  It should do so making clear that U.S. relations with this government --   including decisions about the future of our foreign assistance program for  the Palestinians -- will be based solely on the positions and actions of the  government.  Unfortunately, there are many in Israel and the U.S., including  inside the Netanyahu government and the Obama Administration, who will try  to spin today's announcement as evidence that the Palestinian Authority is  not a partner in peace.  Such a reaction is at best mistaken; at worst it is  a cynical pretext for not negotiating peace.  "This reconciliation announcement bolsters the conclusion that now is the  time for President Obama to redouble his own commitment to peace.  By laying  out his own plan for peace -- including presenting substantive peace  parameters and his plan of action for moving forward -- Obama has the  opportunity to re-assert credible U.S. leadership, to forestall action at  the UN in September, and to take the true measure of both the Israeli and  the Palestinian governments' commitments to peace.  He should not miss this  opportunity."  ##  -------------------------------------------- IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis Website: www.imra.org.il 

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[Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] ZUHDI JASSER chastises the judge and the sentence imposed on the Muslim man who honor-killed his own daughter

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ZUHDI JASSER chastises the judge and the sentence imposed on the Muslim man who honor-killed his own daughter

barenakedislam | April 30, 2011 at 5:46 PM | Categories: Islam in America | URL: http://wp.me/peHnV-tjh
Dr. Zuhdi Jasser (An American Muslim whom every so-called 'moderate' Muslim should emulate but few ever do) condemns Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Roland Steinle's misguided conclusion and sentencing of the honor-killing father, Faleh Hassan Al-Maleki, to 34 ½ years in prison. AZ CENTRAL - Judge Steinle's remarks ventured into many theological, cultural and social areas from [...]


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Re: [gingery_machines] Re: refractory lining...

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Anthony
I think the little cracks are caused by the moistening and smoothing of the surface. You could use a lower wattage bulb, a cloth may help, but small surface cracks don't pose a particular problem, you can patch them at a later date if they widen and become a problem.

Malcolm

I don't suffer from insanity I enjoy it!

--- On Sun, 5/1/11, anthony <ima_cute_dork@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: anthony <ima_cute_dork@yahoo.com>
Subject: [gingery_machines] Re: refractory lining...
To: gingery_machines@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 12:50 AM

 

i went to check it this mornign and it was steaming and there was dripping water...thats a good idea to hang the light bulb...ok what should i do if i see little little cracks starting to form in the lining? and what does putting a damp towel on the top make it do? thanks for the reply Malcolm!!

--- In gingery_machines@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm Parker-Lisberg <mparkerlisberg@...> wrote:

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> Antony

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> One thing to watch out for when using a light bult is the evaporated water can condense and drip onto the hot lamp resulting in its destruction. I hung the lamp with a metal ring mounted on the holder after the first lamp went 'POP'

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Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] FRB Credit Card Rules (WYNTK)

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On Sun, 2011-03-27 at 22:58 -0700, sheep wrote:
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> You think this is bad? I think this is for the best interest of the
> consumer
> skip to main navigation skip to secondary navigation skip to content

I agree it is time to regulate card rates and free while allowing them
the freedom to discriminate on ability to pay and not give out cards
like green stamps.

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