http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081218042738AAyqqWP Resolved Question
When was there ever an ancient Palestinian nation? I would like serious answers to this question. What was the Palestinian culture and language? What was their government? The Arab-Palestinian national movement didn't come about until 1964.
Who were their leaders? Why was no Palestinian state created while Israel was under Islamic rule? Or in 636AD when Arabs marauders came through?
From Israel's inception some 3250 yrs ago many have come and gone so tell me where the Palestinians fit in this history?
Best answer:
There was never an ancient Palestine. Of all the rulers--
Hebrew, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks --none cared to establish a nation except the Hebrews.
The Turks neglected the region until they were kicked out during WWI and the British stepped in. Through out history there has always been a Jewish presence in Israel.
There has never been an established Palestinian government. Indeed, the word Palestine was first used by the Romans and is not even an Arab word.
I can not tell you how they fit into history since there is not any. Islam itself is a relatively new religion. They are Arabs--simple as that.
They have no particular connection to the land of Israel other than a few no-mad tribes drifting through.
Are there Arabs who have a history in Israel? Yes but not at the numbers they now claim and only by virtue of having settle there. Not as a distinct peoples different from other Arabs.
Most came when the Jews began to clean Israel up and the land began to prosper once again. (late 1800s)
They are Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, Egyptians, and so forth....
For more great info:
http://masada2000.org/ http://www.tgm.org/Palistinians.html | Just who are the Palistinians? | |
WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?
The land of Isreal became known as Palestine after it's destruction in 70 A.D. In 135 A.D. Hadrian, a Roman Emperor wanted to remove all Jewish identify from the land and so he "picked" the name Palestine, a derivative of the name Philistine. Islam conquered the middle east in the 7th century and tried to change the name to Falstin. It didn't work, the name Palestine stuck even through invasions by the Ottoman Turks and the British. Around 1900 much of the land that is currently Isreal was a wasteland. The trees had come down, and erosion was huge problem. There was hardly anyone there at the time, certainly no civilized dwellings. Around 1850 the Jews began returning home from oppression by Russia and other Eastern European nations. They bought land from Muslim Ottoman Turks and suprisingly were successful in revitalizing the land. Because the Jews were so sucessful, this is still known as an agricultural miracle. Migrant workers began to flood in from surrounding areas. Many of the people who call themselves "Palestinians" today are direct decendents of those Migrant Workers. Palestinians are made up of Arabs, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, and Lebanese Arabs.
INTERESTING FACTS ABOUT PALESTINIANS
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They have NEVER had a state or a capital
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The is no ancient history of Palestinian culture, currency or religion
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The Koran fails to mention Jerusalem as a Holy Site
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No one knows who founded this "Nation of People"
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There have never been any Palestinian artifacts discovered
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NO ONE can name a Palestinian leader prior to Arafat.
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There is no 'P' sound in the Arabic language
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NO ONE knows it's borders
LETS LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER AT THE PALASTINIAN FLAG
"The four colors of the Palestinian flag are black, white, red and green. These colors are also identified on the four horses of the apocalypse in Revelation 6:1-8. The Greek word for "pale" in Revelation 6:8 is chloros, translated as "green" in the Bible."
"While in Israel I noticed there were fluorescent green lights placed around the upper part of all the mosques. At night, the green glow can be seen miles away. I assumed these glowing green lights were simply to draw attention to the mosque as the centerpiece of the community.
I later learned that the color green was considered to be the color of the prophet Mohamed, because it was the color of the earth. This same color, green, is found on many flags in Islamic nations, including the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), Turkey and other nations."
You might be interested to know that the Pale Horse in the Bible is given power to kill with the sword. "The verses following the pale horse speak about a large number of martyrs who are in heaven crying out for vengeance upon those who murdered them on earth. Later, in Revelations 20:4, it is revealed that they were murdered by beheading, which is common practice among the more strict Muslims."
Stone, Perry Unleashing the Beast pgs 101-102
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| I am a settler
by Ashley Perry, Israel Insider December 2, 2004
I am a settler. According to most of the world, I and people like me are to blame for violence in the Mideast, global terrorism, even tribal warfare in The Sudan. I'm sure that, given time, the hurricanes hitting seacoasts around the world could also be attributed to the settlers.
If I were to be viciously murdered and hacked to death along with children and old people tomorrow, it wouldn't be the person wielding the knife who would be at fault, it would be me and us to blame! I am an enemy of the world. I am a more nefarious and violent entity than Al Qaeda, the murderers of the school children in Beslan, the Madrid bombers, The Junjaweed in Sudan, Al Zaqaawi in Iraq,etc. When terrorists perpetrate their acts, the media fall over themselves to try and understand why. Was it their upbringing? Were they social outcasts, picked on at school? Whatever the reason, they will find out and paint a very human picture to these humans who commit inhuman acts. I am a settler, apparently I got up one day and felt like oppressing the poor Palestinians and stealing their land and that is the whole of my story. In media reports around the world I do not have a gender, I do not have a profession, I do not have likes or dislikes, I have no context. I am always referred to as a 'settler', sometimes I am afforded the prefix 'extremist' or 'right-wing'. I can tell you that I am new at this 'settling' business. A few months ago I wasn't a settler and if I was killed it would be partially condemned by oh, let's see.....at least four or five governments. Today I wouldn't receive even that. I have moved only a few miles geographically yet a whole world in terms of legitimacy. I dared to move across the hallowed 'Green Line'. I am sure the whole world knows what the Green Line is and how it got its name. I am sure they know that it was created by two generals on opposing sides in war sitting in a tent in the middle of nowhere attempting to muddle out a ceasefire. I am sure too that the world knows that the only marker they had to delineate the lines of cease-fire was a thick green magic marker pen which when making the line on the map was sometimes miles thick. That is it, a cease-fire line. Not the borders of a state, not the ending of a peace plan, but a line showing where two armies had finished their fighting and decided on a truce. When people talk of 1967 borders, they are being factually incorrect. One can only border a sovereign state. Which brings me to my next important fact which I am positive the world knows. There has never been a sovereign Palestine, ever in the history of man. Never a Palestinian King, President, ruler. Never a distinct Palestinian language or culture or currency. So where is it I have moved to, I hear you ask. I can tell you that the last Internationally recognized agreement pertaining to this land was called 'The Balfour Declaration' which was adopted by The League of Nations in the early part of the twentieth century which called for a Jewish Home including where I now live....and nothing since. So at best surely where I live could be called 'disputed'. I recognize that there is a dispute, there are two people wanting to claim this land where I live. I do not occupy it any more than an arab who lives down the road from me. Speaking of Arabs, the world knows where I stand on them. Surely, I want them gone from here or dead perhaps and I pray continually for their destruction. Well I have some news for the world: I don't hate the Arabs or anyone particularly. I hate traffic, cold mornings and finding the colour of my clothes have run in the washing machine, but I don't hate people. I have never hurt anyone in my life, nor do I intend to. I am not a pacifist, nor am I violent. I'm just like most people on this planet....a regular person. A regular person doesn't hate any particular people. I have been told by many "more veteran" settlers that they remember before the Intifada when they used to go to the shops and souks of the local Arab towns and cities. They used to invite Arabs to their homes and celebrations and were invited back. Yes, these were the evil settlers pouring tea to their Arab guests of their home and enquiring about the health of their relatives. These were the abhorrent Arab-hating settlers who would moan about the weather with the Arab shopkeepers as they did their weekly grocery shopping. What may surprise many is that most settlers long for these times again and dream of living side by side with Arabs or anyone in peace and harmony. Damn they are truly evil! As a settler I am not allowed in many countries. I am sure you all knew the declaration of The Non-Aligned countries in the UN (a very large percentage of the world) that I am barred from their countries. While the world fights for civil rights for murderers and terrorists, mine are just shunted aside. But hey, it doesn't matter. As a Jew I am not allowed in many countries in the world and am forbidden from owning land in many, many more. So yes I am a settler! I make no apology for it. I never hurt anyone, I never stole anyone's land. In fact the land I am living on wasn't lived on before I got here. No Palestinians were displaced to make room for me. I wanted to write this piece not to convert anyone to my way of thinking. I haven't even given my reasons for living here. I just wanted to give myself and those around me context. I wanted to let you know that the BBC, CNN, etc don't know me or want to get to know me, they would rather shed a tear and try to 'understand' terrorism. I don't even seek anyone to understand me. I just want people to understand that there are two sides and to learn about both. To make a decision about something while only knowing one side is intellectually unsatisfying. Not to at least listen to both sides is dishonest. So please send this on to as many people as possible, so more human beings can at least get at least a glimpse of this other, hidden side of a human dilemma.
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http://wn.com/Professor_Azmi_Bishara_There_Is_No_Palestinian_Nation,_Never_Was_!
Professor Azmi Bishara: There Is No "Palestinian Nation", Never Was !
Professor Azmi Bishara: There Is No "Palestinian Nation", Never Was !
Translation: Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation at all. I think there is an Arab Nation, I always thought so and I didnt change my mind. I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation, I think its a Colonial invention Palestinian Nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? What I think there is an Arab Nation, I never turned to be a Palestinian Nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the Occupation. I think that until the end of the 19TH century, Palestine was the South of Great Syria.
Translation: Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation at all. I think there is an Arab Nation, I always thought so and I didnt change my mind. I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation, I think its a Colonial invention Palestinian Nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? What I think there is an Arab Nation, I never turned to be a Palestinian Nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the Occupation. I think that until the end of the 19TH century, Palestine was the South of Great Syria.
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Professor Azmi Bishara: There Is No 'Palestinian Nation', never was !
Professor Azmi Bishara: There Is No 'Palestinian Nation', never was !
Translation (Pay attention to London's astounded face following Bisahra's statement): Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation at all. I think there is an Arab Nation, I always thought so and I didnt change my mind. I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation, I think its a Colonial invention Palestinian Nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? What I think there is an Arab Nation, I never turned to be a Palestinian Nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the Occupation. I think that until the end of the 19TH century, Palestine was the South of Great Syria.
Translation (Pay attention to London's astounded face following Bisahra's statement): Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation at all. I think there is an Arab Nation, I always thought so and I didnt change my mind. I dont think there is a Palestinian Nation, I think its a Colonial invention Palestinian Nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? What I think there is an Arab Nation, I never turned to be a Palestinian Nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the Occupation. I think that until the end of the 19TH century, Palestine was the South of Great Syria.
- Duration: 0:46
- Published: 2009-02-02
- Uploaded: 2010-08-27
- Author: zkasher
Professor Azmi Bishara: There Is No Palestinian Nation, Never Was!
Professor Azmi Bishara: There Is No Palestinian Nation, Never Was!
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Palestine Never Existed | The very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation", having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world. There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed by Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964…three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six Day's War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is Egyptian! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people…a people with no history and no authority…whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State! Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later, in 586 B.C., these first ancient Jews in the land of Israel (Judea) were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (Solomon's Temple) on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed, enslaved or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews, who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem on the same site as Solomon's Temple. Thus, the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago, right after the Holocaust, and drove out the Arabs is preposterous! Then, in 70 A.D.(nearly 2,000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel, known at that time as Judea, and destroy the Second Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of the Jewish population. The Romans, without success, had tried to impose their many deities on the Jews, but few Jews were willing to submit to the Roman demands regarding their worship, and were certainly unwilling to regard a Roman Emperor as a divine being. |  |
After a succession of uprisings against Roman rule, in which over one and a half million Jews were killed, enslaved or driven out of their homeland, the then Roman Procurator in charge of the area decided to take even another measure in retaliation. Calling his scribes, he asked the historians as to who had been the worst enemies of the Jews in past history. He was told the "Philistines." Having this determination, he then ordered all maps altered to reflect that the Land of Israel (Judea) would be labeled "Philistia" (further bastardized into "Palaistina") to dishonor the Jews and obliterate them, if only figuratively, from the map. Hence, the name "Palestine" was invented, and entirely appropriate that this invented name of the Romans would be used by Muhammad's invented religion of Islam, over 1,800 years later, when initiating its campaign to steal the Jewish homeland.
Over 3,250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital established by King David. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews (Jews), Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward neglected territory from the 16th Century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own…EXCEPT the Jews!
It should be noted that in 636 A.D., when the Arab marauders of Muhammad came to the land, and uprooted even more of the Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there…and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And, remember this one fact…it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. It was the Arabs in 636 A.D. who overran and stole it from the Jews! A point: The Dome of the Rock Mosque was constructed atop the ruins of the second Jewish Temple, and not vice-versa!
 | The Jewish People have the most legitimate "Birth Certificate" of any nation in the world! Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts…all support this claim. Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continuous presence in that land for over 3,000 years. This predates and certainly dwarfs any claims that other people in the regions may have. IN CONCLUSION: No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948, with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area many centuries before the Arabs, and their newly invented religion of Islam appeared on the scene in the 7th Century A.D. |
End Notes: (1) The above article has had no deletions from its original content, but it has slightly amplified the explanation of why Israel has been named "Palestine". Readers are urged to access the Masada2000.com website since it is highly informative and its information has been well researched. (2) Caution: A part of this website enables viewers to access video clips showing Muslims conducting ritual murders of prisoners, and this viewing is certainly not for children or the faint of heart!
http://www.allaboutmuhammad.com/page8.html PALESTINE NEVER EXISTED
[ Editorial Note: The following is text taken from the website Masada2000.org. All persons seeking the historical facts concerning the illegitimate territorial claims of Arab Muslims of the Middle East against the Jews are urged to access this website.]
There is a preliminary historical fact that must be established; THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CIVILIZATION OR NATION REFERRED TO AS "PALESTINE!"
The very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation", having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed by Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964…three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six Day's War (which the Arabs started). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is Egyptian! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people…a people with no history and no authority…whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!
Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later, in 586 B.C., these first ancient Jews in the land of Israel (Judea) were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (Solomon's Temple) on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed, enslaved or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews, who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem on the same site as Solomon's Temple. Thus, the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago, right after the Holocaust, and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!
Then, in 70 A.D.(nearly 2,000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel, known at that time as Judea, and destroy the Second Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of the Jewish population. The Romans, without success, had tried to impose their many deities on the Jews, but few Jews were willing to submit to the Roman demands regarding their worship, and were certainly unwilling to regard a Roman Emperor as a divine being.
After a succession of uprisings against Roman rule, in which over one and a half million Jews were killed, enslaved or driven out of their homeland, the then Roman Procurator in charge of the area decided to take even another measure in retaliation. Calling his scribes, he asked the historians as to who had been the worst enemies of the Jews in past history. He was told the "Philistines." Having this determination, he then ordered all maps altered to reflect that the Land of Israel (Judea) would be labeled "Philistia" (further bastardized into "Palaistina") to dishonor the Jews and obliterate them, if only figuratively, from the map. Hence, the name "Palestine" was invented, and entirely appropriate that this invented name of the Romans would be used by Muhammad's invented religion of Islam, over 1,800 years later, when initiating its campaign to steal the Jewish homeland.
Over 3,250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital established by King David. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews (Jews), Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward neglected territory from the 16th Century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own…EXCEPT the Jews!
It should be noted that in 636 A.D., when the Arab marauders of Muhammad came to the land, and uprooted even more of the Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there…and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And, remember this one fact…it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. It was the Arabs in 636 A.D. who overran and stole it from the Jews! A point: The Dome of the Rock Mosque was constructed atop the ruins of the second Jewish Temple, and not vice-versa!
The Jewish People have the most legitimate "Birth Certificate" of any nation in the world! Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts…all support this claim. Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continuous presence in that land for over 3,000 years. This predates and certainly dwarfs any claims that other people in the regions may have.
IN CONCLUSION: No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948, with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area many centuries before the Arabs, and their newly invented religion of Islam appeared on the scene in the 7th Century A.D.
End Notes: (1) The above article has had no deletions from its original content, but we have slightly amplified the explanation of why Israel has been named "Palestine". We urge our readers to access the Masada2000.com website since it is highly informative and its information has been well researched. (2) Caution: A part of this website enables viewers to access video clips showing Muslims conducting ritual murders of prisoners, and this viewing is certainly not for children or the faint of heart! (3) We urge our readers to access the website of "www.MapsofWar.com" for a better understanding of the so-called Palestinians spurious claims to the region now popularly known as Palestine.
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