SECURITY
An Interview With WikiLeaks' Julian Assange
Admire him or revile him, WikiLeaks' Julian Assangeis the prophet of a coming age of involuntary transparency, the leader of an organization devoted to divulging the world's secrets using technology unimagined a generation ago. Over the last year his information insurgency has dumped 76,000 secret Afghan war documents and another trove of 392,000 files from the Iraq war into the public domain–the largest classified military security breaches in history. Sunday, WikiLeaks made the first of 250,000 classified U.S. State Department cables public, offering an unprecedented view of how America's top diplomats view enemies and friends alike.
Interviewing Julian Assange, London, Nov. 11, 2010. Photo: Jillian Edelstein For Forbes
But, as Assange explained to me earlier this month, the Pentagon and State Department leaks are just the start.
For our cover story on Assange and the coming age of leaks, click here.
In a rare, two-hour interview conducted in London on November 11, Assange said that he's still sitting on a trove of secret documents, about half of which relate to the private sector. And WikiLeaks' next target will be a major American bank. "It will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms, I presume," he said, adding: "For this, there's only one similar example. It's like the Enron emails."
Here is an edited transcript of that discussion:
Forbes: To start, is it true you're sitting on trove of unpublished documents?
Julian Assange: Sure. That's usually the case. As we've gotten more successful, there's a gap between the speed of our publishing pipeline and the speed of our receiving submissions pipeline. Our pipeline of leaks has been increasing exponentially as our profile rises, and our ability to publish is increasing linearly.
You mean as your personal profile rises?
Yeah, the rising profile of the organization and my rising profile also. And there's a network effect for anything to do with trust. Once something starts going around and being considered trustworthy in a particular arena, and you meet someone and they say "I heard this is trustworthy," then all of a sudden it reconfirms your suspicion that the thing is trustworthy.
So that's why brand is so important, just as it is with anything you have to trust.
And this gap between your publishing resources and your submissions is why the site's submission function has been down since October?
We have too much.
Before you turned off submissions, how many leaks were you getting a day?
As I said, it was increasing exponentially. When we get lots of press, we can get a spike of hundreds or thousands. The quality is sometimes not as high. If the front page of the Pirate Bay links to us, as they have done on occasion, we can get a lot of submissions, but the quality is not as high.
How much of this trove of documents that you're sitting on is related to the private sector?
About fifty percent.
You've been focused on the U.S. military mostly in the last year. Does that mean you have private sector-focused leaks in the works?
Yes. If you think about it, we have a publishing pipeline that's increasing linearly, and an exponential number of leaks, so we're in a position where we have to prioritize our resources so that the biggest impact stuff gets released first.
So do you have very high impact corporate stuff to release then?
Yes, but maybe not as high impact…I mean, it could take down a bank or two.
That sounds like high impact.
But not as big an impact as the history of a whole war. But it depends on how you measure these things.
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