Tax money are spent by the government monopoly. Monopolies tend to be inefficient.
--- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, patrick mc govern <mcgvrn_ptrck@...> wrote:
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> I think most people already know that and I would support my tax dollars being used to ensure that happens
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> Â You can lead people to knowledge but you can't make them think
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> --- On Tue, 12/28/10, zeus32117 <zeus32117@...> wrote:
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> From: zeus32117 <zeus32117@...>
> Subject: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Re: Health reform for all Americans - St Pete Times
> To: Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:56 AM
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> I would give everybody freedom and inform them about the value of getting as good an education as one can get. May be then they would become happy.
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> --- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, patrick mc govern <mcgvrn_ptrck@> wrote:
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> > I agree but how do you make a happy slave ?
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> >
> >  You can lead people to knowledge but you can't make them think
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> > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, zeus32117 <zeus32117@> wrote:
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> > From: zeus32117 <zeus32117@>
> > Subject: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Re: Health reform for all Americans - St Pete Times
> > To: Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 7:00 AM
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> > ÂÂ
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> > I think that being mistreated produces hate and a desire to kill those who have mistreated you. Happy people tend to be much more productive than those who want to kill those whom they work for.
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> > --- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, patrick mc govern <mcgvrn_ptrck@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A whip across the back can be a great motivator.
> > >
> > >
> > >  You can lead people to knowledge but you can't make them think
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 12/27/10, zeus32117 <zeus32117@> wrote:
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> > >
> > > From: zeus32117 <zeus32117@>
> > > Subject: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Re: Health reform for all Americans - St Pete Times
> > > To: Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 6:54 AM
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> > >
> > > ÂÂÂ
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> > >
> > > Slave labor is unproductive.
> > >
> > > --- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, patrick mc govern <mcgvrn_ptrck@> wrote:
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> > > > You're sadly mistaken if you think that corporations wouldn't prefer slave labor over paying out for labor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÃÆ'‚ You can lead people to knowledge but you can't make them think
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Susan <sailorgirl43@> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > From: Susan <sailorgirl43@>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Re: Health reform for all Americans - St Pete Times
> > > > To: Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 6:38 PM
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> > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
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> > > > What a bunch of hooey!!ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
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> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 4:57 PM, voice.of.god <voice.of.god@> wrote:
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> > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
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> > > >
> > > > Anti-union is to be pro-slavery.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.angeloftruth.com/christianity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, patrick mc govern <mcgvrn_ptrck@> wrote:
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> > > > > To be anti-union is to be anti-working class, Corporations care absolutely nothing about the middle class of this country and this fact can't be disputed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ You can lead people to knowledge but you can't make them think
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 12/24/10, Susan <sailorgirl43@> wrote:
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> > > > >
> > > > > From: Susan <sailorgirl43@>
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Re: Health reform for all Americans - St Pete Times
> > > > > To: Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Friday, December 24, 2010, 8:40 AM
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> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
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> > > > > Some corporations are like that but in the past 10 years corporations have been eliminating their bloat to make money, pay people and please their share holders. Private corporations are much more streamed lines than the government because they do answer to others. I have never seen such waste as in government and especially when the workers have a union to defend their bad actions.ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
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> > > > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:42 AM, iloveubuntulinux <valchaulinux@> wrote:
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> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ
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> > > > > the govt is just like the big corporations - top heavy with those who are fat and lazy and rake in the dough. And the actual work is done by human beings with families who are (in private industry) easily discarded but in the govt have at least some rights
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> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, Susan <sailorgirl43@> wrote:
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> > > > > > There are surveys done and money is counted when it comes in to charities,
> > > > > > very simple to find out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is huge waste in the all government. It is top heavy and so money is
> > > > > > wasted by the thousands. Evangelical Christians don't restrict donations.
> > > > > > Where do you get this stuff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Sheep&Goatlady
> > > > > > springcreek@:
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> > > > >
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> > > > > > > Are they? How do you know what other folks donate? Waste money in giving a
> > > > > > > decent health care to folks? Heatlh care to child? To have safe food on the
> > > > > > > table? To ensure women get decent wages? that is a waste of money? Do you
> > > > > > > know what the nieghbor next door gives? there was a gentleman on tv,, his
> > > > > > > ID was hidden, that gave away 100 dollar bucks to needy,, Do you know who he
> > > > > > > was? No,, and most evangelical christians restrict who they give their money
> > > > > > > too,, some folks give without making a big to do about it,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > > > > > *From:* Susan sailorgirl43@
> > > > > > > *To:* Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 21, 2010 4:16 PM
> > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Health reform for all
> > > > > > > Americans - St Pete Times
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The group of people who give the most money away
> > > > > > > are Evangelical Christians. There are many million and billionaires who give
> > > > > > > tons of money to needy people. It is not that people don't want to give
> > > > > > > because they do. They resent paying high taxes to people who waste the money
> > > > > > > in big government machine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:51 PM, elaine mckay glyndon47@:
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > >> I don't understand why many conservatives focus on getting more money
> > > > > > >> and never on giving something to humanity, even in their own country.
> > > > > > >> Not everyone can afford life giving treatment and so die? thats so wrong.
> > > > > > >> I don't have class envy because in Australia we don't have that class
> > > > > > >> system.
> > > > > > >> Everyone is entitled to free health care and education. If you want better
> > > > > > >> you pay for it, and thats fine.
> > > > > > >> it's called looking after you fellow man, or having a social concience.
> > > > > > >> --- On *Mon, 20/12/10, patrick mc govern mcgvrn_ptrck@* wrote:
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> > > > > > >> From: patrick mc govern mcgvrn_ptrck@
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >> Subject: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Health reform for all Americans -
> > > > > > >> St Pete Times
> > > > > > >> To: "free" freethinkersclub@yahoogroups.com, "dea" <
> > > > > > >> DuanesEverythingandAnything@yahoogroups.com, "pcc" <
> > > > > > >> politics_currentevents_group@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >> Received: Monday, 20 December, 2010, 10:42 PM
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> > > > > > >> Health reform for all Americans
> > > > > > >> By Eric H. Holder Jr. and Kathleen Sebelius, Washington Post
> > > > > > >> In Print: Wednesday, December 15, 2010
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> In March, New Hampshire preschool teacher Gail O'Brien, who was unable to
> > > > > > >> obtain health insurance through her employer, was diagnosed with an
> > > > > > >> aggressive form of lymphoma. Her subsequent applications for health
> > > > > > >> insurance were rejected because of her condition. With each round of
> > > > > > >> chemotherapy costing $16,000, she delayed treatment because she knew her
> > > > > > >> savings wouldn't last. ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'‚¢ Then President Barack Obama signed the Affordable
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> > > > > > >> Care Act. Thanks to this law, O'Brien is getting treatment through a
> > > > > > >> temporary program that provides affordable coverage to people who have been
> > > > > > >> shut out of the insurance market because of a pre-existing condition. Even
> > > > > > >> better, she knows that in 2014 insurers will be banned from discriminating
> > > > > > >> against any American with pre-existing conditions.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> That's what makes the recent lawsuits challenging the Affordable Care Act
> > > > > > >> so troubling. Roughly 20 cases question the new law's individual
> > > > > > >> responsibility provision, which says that Americans who can afford to must
> > > > > > >> maintain basic health coverage.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Federal courts in Michigan and Virginia have upheld the law as
> > > > > > >> constitutional, but Monday, a federal court in Virginia reached the opposite
> > > > > > >> result. These and other cases will continue through our courts as opponents
> > > > > > >> try to block the law. But these attacks are wrong on the law, and if allowed
> > > > > > >> to succeed, they would have devastating consequences for everyone with
> > > > > > >> health insurance.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The majority of Americans who have health insurance pay a higher price
> > > > > > >> because of our broken system. Every insured family pays an average of $1,000
> > > > > > >> more a year in premiums to cover the care of those who have no insurance.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Everyone wants health care to be affordable and available when they need
> > > > > > >> it. But we have to stop imposing extra costs on people who carry insurance,
> > > > > > >> and that means everyone who can afford coverage needs to carry minimum
> > > > > > >> health coverage starting in 2014.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> If we want to prevent insurers from denying coverage to people with
> > > > > > >> pre-existing conditions, it's essential that everyone have coverage. Imagine
> > > > > > >> what would happen if everyone waited to buy car insurance until after they
> > > > > > >> got in an accident. Premiums would skyrocket, coverage would be
> > > > > > >> unaffordable, and responsible drivers would be priced out of the market.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The same is true for health insurance. Without an individual
> > > > > > >> responsibility provision, controlling costs and ending discrimination
> > > > > > >> against people with pre-existing conditions doesn't work.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The legal arguments made against the law gloss over this problem even as
> > > > > > >> opponents have sought to invent new constitutional theories and dig up old
> > > > > > >> ones that were rejected 80 years ago.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Opponents claim the individual responsibility provision is unlawful
> > > > > > >> because it "regulates inactivity." But none of us is a bystander when it
> > > > > > >> comes to health care. All of us need health care eventually. Do we pay in
> > > > > > >> advance, by getting insurance, or do we try to pay later, when we need
> > > > > > >> medical care?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> The individual responsibility provision says that as participants in the
> > > > > > >> health care market, Americans should pay for insurance if they can afford
> > > > > > >> it. That's important because when people who don't have insurance show up at
> > > > > > >> emergency rooms, we don't deny them care. The costs of this uncompensated
> > > > > > >> care ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬" $43 billion in 2008 ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬" are then passed on to doctors, hospitals, small
> > > >
> > > > > > >> businesses and Americans who have insurance.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> As two federal courts have already held, this unfair cost-shifting harms
> > > > > > >> the marketplace. For decades, Supreme Court decisions have made clear that
> > > > > > >> the Constitution allows Congress to adopt rules to deal with such harmful
> > > > > > >> economic effects, which is what the law does ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬" it regulates how we pay for
> > > >
> > > > > > >> health care by ensuring that those who have insurance don't continue to pay
> > > > > > >> for those who don't. Because of the long-held legal precedent of upholding
> > > > > > >> such provisions, even President Ronald Reagan's solicitor general, Charles
> > > > > > >> Fried, called legal objections to the law "far-fetched."
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> As these lawsuits continue, Americans should be clear about what the
> > > > > > >> opponents of reform are asking the courts to do. Striking down the
> > > > > > >> individual responsibility provision means slamming the door on millions of
> > > > > > >> those like Gail O'Brien, who have been locked out of our health insurance
> > > > > > >> markets, and shifting more costs onto families who have acted responsibly.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> It's not surprising that opponents, having lost in Congress, have taken to
> > > > > > >> the courts. We saw similar challenges to laws that created Social Security
> > > > > > >> and established new civil rights protections. Those challenges ultimately
> > > > > > >> failed, and so will this one.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Rather than fighting to undo the progress we've made, and returning to the
> > > > > > >> days when one out of seven Americans was denied insurance due to their
> > > > > > >> medical histories, supporters of repeal should work with us to implement
> > > > > > >> this law effectively. The initial decisions about the Affordable Care Act
> > > > > > >> will be reviewed on appeal. We are confident that the law will ultimately be
> > > > > > >> upheld.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚© 2010 Washington Post
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