Before agriculture was invented most people had to gather enough food, kill enough animals and/or catch enough fish in order to survive. All other activities which human beings engage in today had been invented relatively recently. Human beings have not stopped inventing new ways of earning a good living either. It has simply become a lot more difficult to implement them. I think that it will make a lot of difference if we help those people who find new ways of earning a good living figure out how to comply with all those laws and all those government regulations that they would have to comply with if they try to implement these new ways of earning a good living.
--- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ketchum <davek@...> wrote:
>
> Zeus writes as if good activities that he imagines happening could,
> somehow, happen and mean escape from the collapse that others of us
> see coming.
>
> Would he somehow attract a capable fairy to inspire change? I do not
> expect such, but do not hear anything more constructive from our Zeus.
>
> Dave Ketchum
>
> > "zeus32117" zeus32117@... zeus32117 wrote on Mon Apr 25, 2011
> > 7:14 pm ((PDT))
> >
> > I am in favor of organic farming. As far as predicting an economic
> > collapse is concerned, this prediction does not make much sense to
> > me. Here is why it doesn't. Fists of all, new ways of earning a good
> > income appear to be discovered on a regular basis. Second, more and
> > more ways of doing the same thing in less and less time and with
> > fewer and fewer resources appear to be discovered on a regular basis
> > as well. Third, it would make a lot of difference if agricultural
> > productivity in most other countries caught up with agricultural
> > productivity in U.S. When this happens enough food for everyone will
> > finally be produced.
> >
> > --- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ketchum
> > <davek@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why? Hopefully Karl will be more successful than many others in
> >> making the point that we CANNOT keep doing what we are doing - thus
> >> we
> >> had best work toward a path to more profit and less pain.
> >>
> >> How? Karl offers some thought, but more is needed. See his: http://karlnorth.com/
> >> I suggest the following three of his titles there (others are more
> >> into agriculture - fine if that is your interest):
> >>
> >> What Every Marxist Needs to Know about Ecology
> >> By Karl North | December 12, 2010
> >> The Population "Bomb" and its Distortions in Capitalist Culture
> >> By Karl North | July 20, 2010
> >> Invisible Ships and Boiling Frogs: The End of Industrial Affluence
> >> By Karl North | June 7, 2010
> >>
> >> On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Karl S North wrote:
> >>
> >>> I place my bets for system change on societies on the periphery of
> >>> the world economic system - nations where large populations are so
> >>> oppressed that they have nothing to lose, populations who are still
> >>> part of a subsistence economy that can survive the disruption of
> >>> services that revolution brings. Revolution occurred in Cuba because
> >>> its intellectual leaders understood that the peasantry was its most
> >>> reliable base.
> >>>
> >>> However, economic collapse in the US provides important
> >>> opportunities for change at the local level. Driven by the permanent
> >>> end of two centuries of cheap energy and the internal contradictions
> >>> of a domestic and world system controlled largely by private
> >>> capital, economic collapse will occur despite all attempts at
> >>> prevention. It will create social chaos and possibly eventual
> >>> breakdown of control at the higher levels of government. Those who
> >>> are aware and ready for that eventuality may be able to take back
> >>> local economies, land use and other natural resources from the
> >>> powerful national and multinational economic interests who currently
> >>> control them. But it will depend on the ability of local communities
> >>> to shrug off denial and adapt to a lower energy civilization.
> >>>
> >>> As I have posted rarely if ever on this forum, I should introduce
> >>> myself as a recently retired organic farmer, now teaching ecological
> >>> agriculture at BU, once trained as an ecological anthropologist, and
> >>> a long time student of power and class in capitalist society, making
> >>> good use, for example, of the endless fount of critical analysis
> >>> provided to us locally by my friend Jim Petrus. Some of my writings,
> >>> including a vision of the reorganization of agriculture that will
> >>> sustain food production and supply in the energy descent, are
> >>> available on the website listed below.
> >>> --
> >>> Karl North - Northland Sheep Dairy, Freetown, New York USAhttp://karlnorth.com/
> >>> "Pueblo que canta no morira" - Cuban saying
> >>> "They only call it class warfare when we fight back" - Anon.
> >>> "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane.
> >>> His son will ride a camel."
> >>> —Saudi saying
>
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