within hours,, and reliable,,yes, it can be done on ship,,
** An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind Gandhi **
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <garyrumor2@yahoo.com>
To: <Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:00 PM
Subject: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Re: Osama DNA Story
> The question was how fast can it be done, how reliable is it and is the
> technology portable enough to be carried on a ship or can they simply send
> a computer simulation on line? You have answered none of these questions.
> But I appreciate the try.
>
> --- In Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com, "Sheep&Goatlady"
> <springcreek@...> wrote:
>>
>> You know little of DNA,, if they have a sample alread to compare to it is
>> easy and quickly done as well as any DNA of close relatives espeicaly one
>> from the mother side, and Yes, the US military does have mean for quick
>> testing of DNA,,I found this out recently when I was intouch with the US
>> military of KIA and MIA of military from various wars,, My uncle went MIA
>> than FOD, KIA,, but never found his remains nor the crew of his plame
>> possible in new Guriea or off of new Gurinea,, 1943
>> The Military now, does get DNA from family members,, the only living
>> member
>> left that is a sibling of my uncle was another uncle,, I put the military
>> in touch with him to get DNA sample should they ever find the remains,,
>> the
>> need the DMA from a female relatives or the mother or full sibling to do
>> this, it can be done quickly,, this was espcially developed since Nam,,
>> and
>> the technonogly is even better today,, So the person who wrote this
>> article
>> does not know much about DMA testing,
>> ** An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind Gandhi **
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary" <garyrumor2@...>
>> To: <Politics_CurrentEvents_Group@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 9:30 PM
>> Subject: [Politics_CurrentEvents_Group] Osama DNA Story
>>
>>
>> Osama DNA Story
>> May 2nd, 2011
>>
>> Somebody wrote an interesting thing today about DNA testing, doesn't it
>> take
>> days to get results? All the sources I have read about on line say it
>> takes
>> 3 days expedited service to get DNA results. But that is for commercially
>> available results and knowing how most businesses operate, there is some
>> fudge time included for processing paperwork and generally screwing
>> around.
>>
>> These results were available in hours. So we have to assume the
>> government
>> has access to better technology, or they are lying, either about when
>> this
>> happened, or who they killed. According to this article there is
>> technology
>> available that will give you test results in a couple of hours. I don't
>> know
>> what kind of a machine that requires, I assume they would have to have
>> one
>> on base in Afghanistan or on the ship when the Navy Seals returned from
>> their mission with what they presumed to be Osama's body.
>>
>> Perhaps that is what the President was waiting for last night when his
>> speech was delayed for a couple of hours after the news was announced on
>> CNN. I don't have twitter, so I was not among the earliest of the early
>> birds with the info. But conspiracy buffs do have a point, when they say
>> hey, what about the DNA. I don't know if this takes care of their
>> questions,
>> but it is interesting to note that there still are technologies that the
>> government has access to that we mere mortals still hold to be in the
>> realm
>> of fantasy.
>>
>> =============================================
>>
>> From Fast Company
>>
>> CSI Islamabad: The DNA Identity Test Of Osama Bin Laden
>> BY Kit EatonToday
>>
>> Osama Bin Laden has been proclaimed dead from a gunshot wound to the
>> head.
>> But in today's photoshopping era, the world demands more proof-a DNA test
>> to
>> identify the body is actually him.
>>
>> Back in late 2001, when the allied offensive against Al Qaeda in
>> Afghanistan
>> was still in its early days and attention was concentrated on the Tora
>> Bora
>> region where Bin Laden and his associates were reported to be hiding, the
>> U.S. and other forces dropped tons of high explosives into the
>> area-including the BLU-82 Daisy Cutter bomb (a high-explosives giant
>> that's
>> also known as "the poor man's nuclear bomb"). When ground forces
>> penetrated
>> into the zones after the air assaults, they found plenty of bodies.but
>> faced
>> a difficult task: How to tell if one of them was Osama? Soldiers
>> collected
>> and tagged body fragments, then sent them off to be analyzed back in the
>> U.S. The FBI's labs compared the evidence to DNA samples acquired as
>> "swabs"
>> from Bin Laden's family members. Today, something very similar is going
>> on
>> to prove the body dumped at sea really was Bin Laden.
>>
>> DNA matching (also known as genetic fingerprinting) is different to full
>> DNA
>> sequencing-a long drawn out process that takes time, technology, and
>> money
>> to work out the absolute list of hundreds of millions of nucleotides, the
>> famous G, T, C, A pattern that make up your genetic identity. Over 99.9%
>> of
>> everyone's DNA sequence is the same, but that still leaves millions of
>> bits
>> of code that are unique to you. You share some of this unique code with
>> your
>> parents and siblings (and actually all of it if you're an identical
>> twin),
>> but most of it is yours and yours alone-and this is where DNA matching
>> works. It involves breaking your DNA down in a number of different ways
>> and
>> looking for a short list of what's called loci-tell-tale markers that
>> reveal
>> where specific genes are located. The list from a test sample (from, say,
>> a
>> crime scene) is compared against the list from a reference sample
>> obtained
>> from your person-if the lists match, there's an incredibly high
>> statistical
>> probability that the two DNA samples come from the same person.
>>
>> In Osama's case, the DNA tests don't necessarily involve a reference
>> sample
>> from the man himself (presumably because it's hard to find), but
>> reportedly
>> from his sister who died in Boston recently. Tissue from her body was
>> used
>> to create an extensive reference DNA fingerprint. Because your parents
>> give
>> you some of their DNA, they also give your siblings some of the same
>> genetic
>> code-which is why sibling DNA tests work. They sometimes concentrate on
>> ares
>> of the genome called "junk DNA" which serves no biological function but
>> still gets passed along to offspring. By testing for repeat strands of
>> DNA
>> code in these areas, it's possible to work out if two individuals are
>> related as siblings.
>>
>> Typical lab-based DNA matching tests like this can take up to 14 days;
>> they're painstaking and need to be repeated several times to ensure the
>> sample's not contaminated from any other DNA sources. But that's not
>> necessarily the only way to do these tests: Late in 2010, a University of
>> Arizona team presented research on a machine that can do the analysis in
>> just two hours in a largely automated way. It's possible that knowing
>> they
>> were engaged on a mission to capture Bin Laden, U.S. Forces arranged for
>> access to a machine like this to be on quick alert-probably for flying
>> blood, cheek cells, and other samples taken from the body to the lab for
>> expedited analysis.
>>
>> But here's the thing: DNA matching isn't an exact science, and sibling
>> matching is slightly more inexact. It all comes down to a probability,
>> with
>> a statement like "there's a one in one quadrillion chance this isn't the
>> same person in both DNA samples." In other words: conspiracy theorists
>> still
>> have something to talk about.
>>
>> http://www.fastcompany.com/1751030/how-a-dna-identity-test-on-osama-bin-laden-works
>>
>> ======================================
>>
>> From The Star.com
>>
>> DNA fingerprinting helped identify Osama bin Laden
>>
>> 2011/05/02 18:44:00
>>
>> Debra BlackStaff Reporter
>>
>> DNA fingerprinting helped confirm Osama bin Laden was killed by American
>> forces in Pakistan.
>>
>> Officials in Washington are saying that the DNA evidence provides a match
>> with 99.9 per cent confidence.
>>
>> According to reports on FastCompany.com soldiers collected and tagged
>> body
>> fragments then shipped them off to be tested in the U.S to FBI labs.
>> There
>> the DNA samples were tested against "swabs" from bin Laden's family
>> members.
>> A similar test is also being conducted to prove the body dumped at sea is
>> bin Laden.
>>
>> Officials did not immediately say where or how the testing was done but
>> the
>> test explains why U.S. President Barack Obama was confident in announcing
>> the death to the world Sunday night, according to Canadian Press. Obama
>> provided no details on the identification process.
>>
>> The U.S. is believed to have collected DNA samples from bin Laden family
>> members in the years since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks that triggered the
>> U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan.
>>
>> However, it was unclear whether the U.S. also had fingerprints or some
>> other
>> means to identify the body on site, the wire service reports.
>>
>> CNN reports that a national security official said there were multiple
>> confirmations of bin Laden's identity. The official said they also used
>> "facial recognition work, amongst other things, to confirm the identity."
>>
>> According to ABC News the DNA samples came from bin Laden's sister's body
>> after she died in Boston from brain cancer several years ago. The FBI
>> subpoenaed her body so it could be used to identify him.
>>
>> The brain of bin Laden's sister, who has not been identified, was then
>> preserved and the tissue and blood samples taken from it were used to
>> compile a DNA profile. That was matched to the DNA of the man shot dead
>> by
>> U.S. troops.
>>
>> Typical lab testing can take up to 14 days, but a new machine being
>> developed by a team at the University of Arizona can do it in just two
>> hours. It's unclear whether U.S. intelligence forces had access to such
>> technology.
>>
>> But Frederic Zenhausern, head of the project at the University of
>> Arizona's
>> College of Medicine, told the Star it is possible to do the genetic work
>> required in a couple of hours given the high priority of identifying bin
>> Laden even without such technology.
>>
>> When genetic fingerprinting first started it could take as long as four
>> to
>> six weeks of lab work to complete and compare the samples.
>>
>> DNA matching or fingerprinting is very different from doing a complete
>> DNA
>> sequencing - which is a lot longer process and takes time, technology and
>> money to puzzle out the hundreds of millions of nucleotides that make up
>> an
>> individual's genetic identity.
>>
>> How does genetic fingerprinting work? Most human beings share 99.9 per
>> cent
>> of DNA sequencing. But there are millions of bits of code that are unique
>> to
>> each individual. You share some with your parents and siblings, but most
>> is
>> yours.
>>
>> With DNA matching your DNA is broken down into a short list called loci -
>> tell-tale markers that show where specific genes are located. American
>> standards call for the use of 13 fragments of DNA to be used to compare,
>> explained Zenhausern. In Europe scientists use 16 fragments of DNA to
>> compare.
>>
>> A test sample is done and it's compared to a reference sample from the
>> individual. If the lists match that means there is a high statistical
>> probability that the two samples come from the same person.
>>
>> But with bin Laden the DNA test didn't involve a reference sample from
>> him,
>> but rather from his sister. The sample from his sister works because
>> parents
>> give siblings some of their DNA and they share the same genetic code.
>>
>> When testing against a relative's DNA, scientists often look to parts of
>> the
>> genome described as junk DNA which are passed on to all offspring. By
>> testing these strands of DNA, it's possible to work out if two
>> individuals
>> are related as siblings.
>>
>> But Zenhausern, who is professor and director of the Centre of Applied
>> Nanobioscience and Medicine at the College of Medicine in Phoenix at the
>> University of Arizona, said comparing DNA samples to a sibling means that
>> the likelihood of error would be relatively low.
>>
>> "In the case of direct siblings, the error rate would be relatively
>> low.maybe you loose a half or one per cent," Zenhausern said. "You would
>> be
>> in the 99.9 per cent accuracy range. If you go to a half-sibling you can
>> have an error rate that goes up to 10 per cent. The further away you go
>> in
>> the family tree, the higher the error rate."
>>
>> So in this case matching samples from the body that U.S. officials
>> believe
>> is bin Laden against his sister's DNA samples would provide "a good match
>> for an identification," said Zenhausern.
>>
>> Zenhausern is hoping that once the Rapid DNA Testing machine he and his
>> team
>> have come up with is approved for use, it will become the standard in the
>> international forensic community.
>>
>> It is currently being tested by police forces in the United Kingdom,
>> Australia, Germany and the Netherlands and soon will be tested by the
>> FBI,
>> he said. "Typically DNA matching is becoming the standard in biometrics,"
>> he
>> said. Biometrics uses biology and biological technology to identify
>> people.
>>
>> He added that it is likely scientists are now conducting further tests on
>> the samples obtained from the body before it was buried at sea, doing a
>> full
>> profile analysis and doing DNA sequencing looking at everything possible
>> to
>> get a comple DNA picture.
>>
>> But DNA matching or genetic fingerprinting isn't perfect. It's far from
>> an
>> exact science and comes down to probabilities.
>>
>> http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/984153-dna-fingerprinting-helped-identify-osama-bin-laden
>>
>> ====================
>>
>> Link to BBC story with pictures of compound and layout.
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13261064
>>
>>
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